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This is the Point,

sorry for my bad language skills.
Im not so firm to explain all enough.




Am Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:18:23 -0500
schrieb "Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>:

> It took me a sec, but I figured out what he means. He's turning off
> the pins/pads so that they're not in the way while he's routing on
> inner layers.
> 
> The problem is that when you turn off the pins/pads, it turns them
> off for all layers. On the inner layers a plated thru-hole will
> (often) have a circuilar pad around it, not to mention that there is
> actually a hole through the board. With pins/pads off, there is no
> indication of this this at all and you can route a trace straight
> through a through-hole with out realizing it (or on the top or bottom
> layer too, actually).
> 
> Hence the feature's he's asking for. If you could turn off surface
> mount pads without turning off pins, then this wouldn't be a problem.
> Or, if we had an "online-DRC" that would prevent you from drawing
> things that violated design rules, it would also prevent you from
> doing this.
> 
> The quickest fix for this, I think, is to change things slightly so
> that pins and vias are grouped together for visibility and pads are
> their own separate "layer". The right way to do this probably
> involves reworking the layer system, but this is a pretty quick hack
> that should work for now.
> 
> I opened a bug report on LaunchPad:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+bug/1666052
> 
> --Chad
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> 
> > I think, PCB need some additional features:
> >
> >
> > 1. split PIN/PAD Layer in two Buttons PIN and PAD.
> > 2. make it possible, that the "auto enforce DRC clearance" works
> > also while moving lines.
> >
> > 3. the algorithm for "auto enforce DRC clearance" could be modified,
> > that the line will be lay around the barrier?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:28:44 +0000
> > schrieb "Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via
> > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>:
> >  
> > > I think I'll have to try that to understand properly; but if you
> > > mean
> > > - you accidentally shorted against pins which you had switched off
> > > visibility for... Not sure how to avoid that fully.
> > >
> > > Perhaps need to separate the view controls a little more. In my
> > > later 3D stuff (available on repo.or.cz), in 3D view turning off
> > > any layer also hides things like copper pads on that layer.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > On 15 Feb 2017 15:19, "Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
> > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > >  
> > > > Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:48:02 +0000
> > > > schrieb "Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via
> > > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>:
> > > >  
> > > > >  Any chance you can post a screenshot of what you describe?
> > > > >
> > > > > (Imagebin.ca or similar if the files are big?)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 15 Feb 2017 10:45, "Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
> > > > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Hello guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if i have an Jumper connected through all layers.
> > > > > > But if i disable the view of all layers, apart from a inner
> > > > > > signal-layer, the contacts of the connected through is not
> > > > > > visible. This is in my opinion a bug.
> > > > > > Or what is this feature for?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lg
> > > > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, i see the Failure, but i will explain the situation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Step by step:
> > > >
> > > > 1. create a new pcb.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Load a Jumper1 and place it to the board.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Take also some SMD-footprints an place it free over the
> > > > board.
> > > >
> > > > Now you wont draw a line in a (signal) middle layer, but the
> > > > SMD-Footprints are worry. Because this you make some layers
> > > > invisible.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Now you make the pins/pads invisible. Or what?
> > > >
> > > > But, you can not free draw the middle layer, because you have
> > > > collisions with footprints like Jumper1.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> >
> >