X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IpFTACndSYJ8+J6iZ4RhWlhn+tueMTli61bQvoQpOpE=; b=STyvSpMt4X3qhk9zP/OEl8i2xYGgQtsrFO8TlCvExgqg/XIIbu9reryvXY+3xUc8El IZ5k0DoudTsw9sWfEKMOhfQ+7n0SZbaNM+fFtsrd6vGpC+n1RqOYb2/rtjXpyQcfyRR3 7hkj3juUdVznOKmHVQAuQj5a1TciuxZWUhmoYoGSYraEljKFdkZ5m06ngjmzdtFJsS2i wRtlPKVOZ9JeU6MstSEg+IjiBUE4GujS5+Uvy94/pkCF1OhOihVsa6cJbRyAWGCp1C32 czHi2noVYbzw9qO8zOXujF+FcN2nVPM06IVcI8WzZ7Ruy+WERnYAUPtSxMf0O9EmDpdV uWpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IpFTACndSYJ8+J6iZ4RhWlhn+tueMTli61bQvoQpOpE=; b=jcmI/IbTq6LJYRaXqxF3jS6OHudV7eFNYCuTlPiGzNluYXAHXXxUEHbKazhmvBBZri rg7E9oxPJyNI+BGDdI+BpYTbEqTXNb7quFuf5y3xKxJHlRJ68QyPTeq06ns7zsY6887w yvNFxTVn1y98MhmMAGDffXLgbH8YCatXmLGlXoF6AVPtbzc/iOFiXmqvgOZX0BbIyvhU D6jJ2FN+mxPuxBLUUU356FZHYP8guCD0e7tpBasKk1HMSCAQnSxUKe6XG0wIryLBZhcQ MIDecTZCYr7yzJfZNcaT3/KdY6IE5PJ/j6riHSaCJPG3KneRkXFSKuwQrEi+B8PQRlWT qmOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVD1TBfftAUPOySs4HQpIVfIoiajDiBBzKmOlQQNJpuqh4NKLnw kNNFfc/YWQzgctAtnX+xUM9Pxpw71/LUyFnXH7DROw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz6qBFzvp+INS1fGWTpsDpyrbrAYSmh0wfWoRKI1HVB6aU9GkeFwTUckMTdSpXhUJdrExEX55fmPwiOa+40KTM= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:24c6:: with SMTP id k189mr3787493vkk.32.1572369882718; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191028213830 DOT 2e35bc6023c2d8a37696bcd5 AT gmail DOT com> In-Reply-To: <20191028213830.2e35bc6023c2d8a37696bcd5@gmail.com> From: "Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - Can One Create a Part with Via connected with Trace to Pad? To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000050a4e005960fe494" Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com --00000000000050a4e005960fe494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" pcb "elements" (footprints) support only a small subset of pcb features, including pins, pads, and silk lines/arcs. Anything you want in a element has to be one of these things. You can create the via in your element as a pin. pcb treats pins and vias identically in nearly all circumstances. You can create the trace in your element, and call it a pad. In fact, when you're creating footprints with the GUI, you draw the pads as lines, and then convert the lines to pads at the end of the process. So, if you want to draw a line in a footprint, you can, you just have to convert it to a pad. This does limit you in that you can only put pads on the outer layers of pcbs. The presence or absence of components should be essentially irrelevant. pcb doesn't care one way or the other. --Chad On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 18:04 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I have a part with a pair of square solder pads that is like an > oversized SMD pad. > > I have been trying a number of different ways to add to the > part a Via that has a connecting trace between the Via and one > of the two square pads as a part. I have looked ad different > parts to see if I can figure out how to accomplish this as well > as searching the internet. After a few days of trying I am > stumped. > > The reason for such a part is to enable it to be easy > to create PCB variations not only with ease and quickly, but > accurately. This PCB has no components which I suspect is why > what I am trying to accomplish is a challenge. I have a part > for the air flow holes and a part for the screw mounting holes. > > First question is creating a part with a Via, and connecting > trace to a pad is possible? > > Second question is would I be safe to assume if the first > question is possible it means I could create a trace connecting > a copper area to a pad that doe not need a Via? > > The first question is so I can connect the bottom copper area > to top side of PCB to avoid the trace being on bottom side of > PCB that will be mounted to metal support. There is enough > space between the edge of copper area and the metal support to > place a via at the edge of the copper area to enable the > connecting trace to be on the top side of PCB so the trace makes > no contact with metal. > > > John L. Males > Toronto, Ontario > Canada > 28 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT > > > > --00000000000050a4e005960fe494 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
pcb "elements" (footprint= s) support only a small subset of pcb features, including pins, pads, and s= ilk lines/arcs. Anything you want in a element has to be one of these thing= s.

You can create the via in your element as a= pin. pcb treats pins and vias identically in nearly all circumstances. You= can create the trace in your element, and call it a pad. In fact, when you= 're creating footprints with the GUI, you draw the pads as lines, and t= hen convert the lines to pads at the end of the process. So, if you want to= draw a line in a footprint, you can, you just have to convert it to a pad.= This does limit you in that you can only put pads on the outer layers of p= cbs.

The presence or absence of components sho= uld be essentially irrelevant. pcb doesn't care one way or the other. <= br>

--Chad

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 18:04 Joh= n L. Males (jlmales@= gmail.com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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Hello,

I have a part with a pair of square solder pads that is like an
oversized SMD pad.

I have been trying a number of different ways to add to the
part a Via that has a connecting trace between the Via and one
of the two square pads as a part.=C2=A0 I have looked ad different
parts to see if I can figure out how to accomplish this as well
as searching the internet.=C2=A0 After a few days of trying I am
stumped.

The reason for such a part is to enable it to be easy
to create PCB variations not only with ease and quickly, but
accurately.=C2=A0 This PCB has no components which I suspect is why
what I am trying to accomplish is a challenge.=C2=A0 I have a part
for the air flow holes and a part for the screw mounting holes.

First question is creating a part with a Via, and connecting
trace to a pad is possible?

Second question is would I be safe to assume if the first
question is possible it means I could create a trace connecting
a copper area to a pad that doe not need a Via?

The first question is so I can connect the bottom copper area
to top side of PCB to avoid the trace being on bottom side of
PCB that will be mounted to metal support.=C2=A0 There is enough
space between the edge of copper area and the metal support to
place a via at the edge of the copper area to enable the
connecting trace to be on the top side of PCB so the trace makes
no contact with metal.


John L. Males
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
28 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT



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