Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:42:04 +0200
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On Thu 14 Jun 2001 12:36, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:59:12AM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > 2.03 didn't crash on WinNT (but the build didn't succeed either), but still has
> > severe /dev/null problems on Win2k
> > The Win2k versions I can access, are all NL versions. Would that matter?
> 
> Unfortunately I only have a win95, so I have no idea what's going on.
> Maybe you could send a message to djgpp AT delorie DOT com (the gateway for
> the comp.os.msdos.djgpp newsgroup). You might find there someone who
> can give you some advice.
> 
> Laszlo

Attached are the messages leading to this advise.

HTH

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Some new findings:
Win2k behaves as in all previous reports. WinNT behaves hmmm better

the djtar extract, complaints now very often (e.g perltoot.pod inhibits
perltootc.pod to be extracted, as are some files on hints/vos)

In both Win2k and WinNT, configure.bat (renamed to configur.bat on WinNT by
djtar) are not restartable without several warnings. It is not able to
(re)create ../djgpp.c and ../config.over

Win2k somehow refuses to access /dev/null, making any configuration attempt
fail

WinNT4/Sp6 crashes much forther in the process:

D:\Util\Perl\perl-571\djgpp> configur.bat -Dusedevel -des
:
:
Use which C compiler? [gcc]
Checking for GNU cc in disguise and/or its version number...
Now, how can we feed standard input to your C preprocessor...
Exiting due to signal SIGSEGV
General Protection Fault at eip=0001d94d
eax=135e0000 ebx=135e0000 ecx=00000008 edx=00000000 esi=001ab34c edi=001f135c
ebp=00196cf0 esp=00196ccc program=D:\UTIL\DJGPP\BIN\BASH.EXE
cs: sel=01cf  base=01f80000  limit=0022ffff
ds: sel=01d7  base=01f80000  limit=0022ffff
es: sel=01d7  base=01f80000  limit=0022ffff
fs: sel=0000
gs: sel=01df  base=00000000  limit=0010ffff
ss: sel=01d7  base=01f80000  limit=0022ffff
App stack: [00197054..00097054]  Exceptn stack: [00096a38..00094af8]

Call frame traceback EIPs:
  0x0001d94d
  0x0001d824
  0x00022caf
  0x0001d384
  0x0001e9c0
  0x000115ff
  0x0000f936
  0x0000f0af
  0x00004550
  0x00002641
  0x0006e642

D:\Util\Perl\perl-571\UU>

HTH

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On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:27:12PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> Some new findings:
> Win2k behaves as in all previous reports. WinNT behaves hmmm better

Just a note: AFAIK win2k has support for long file names for dos apps.

Otherwise your experiences look quite disappointing :(, I'll check the
current situation out in the weekend. OTOH, I wonder whether you see
similar problems with perl 5.6.1?

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On Wed 13 Jun 2001 18:03, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:27:12PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > Some new findings:
> > Win2k behaves as in all previous reports. WinNT behaves hmmm better
> 
> Just a note: AFAIK win2k has support for long file names for dos apps.
> 
> Otherwise your experiences look quite disappointing :(, I'll check the
> current situation out in the weekend. OTOH, I wonder whether you see
> similar problems with perl 5.6.1?

I have the tar handy, so after some setups, that should be possible.

For Win2k, I fear that the problem isn't the long filenames, but the unability
to access /dev/null. The FAQ doesn't mention anything but nut to install djgpp
on any /dev

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On Wed 13 Jun 2001 :36, H.Merijn Brand <h DOT m DOT brand AT hccnet DOT nl> wrote:
> On Wed 13 Jun 2001 18:03, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:27:12PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > > Some new findings:
> > > Win2k behaves as in all previous reports. WinNT behaves hmmm better
> > 
> > Just a note: AFAIK win2k has support for long file names for dos apps.
> > 
> > Otherwise your experiences look quite disappointing :(, I'll check the
> > current situation out in the weekend. OTOH, I wonder whether you see
> > similar problems with perl 5.6.1?
> 
> I have the tar handy, so after some setups, that should be possible.

Same thing

> For Win2k, I fear that the problem isn't the long filenames, but the unability
> to access /dev/null. The FAQ doesn't mention anything but nut to install djgpp
> on any /dev

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 07:36:14PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> For Win2k, I fear that the problem isn't the long filenames, but the unability
> to access /dev/null. The FAQ doesn't mention anything but nut to install djgpp
> on any /dev

This should be no problem. There is a hook in the djgpp libc which
makes it possible to handle special file names like /dev/null
transparently. I think your problem is that there is something wrong
with your bash. Are you using the latest version from simtelnet?

Laszlo

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On Thu 14 Jun 2001 09:52, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 07:36:14PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > For Win2k, I fear that the problem isn't the long filenames, but the unability
> > to access /dev/null. The FAQ doesn't mention anything but nut to install djgpp
> > on any /dev
> 
> This should be no problem. There is a hook in the djgpp libc which
> makes it possible to handle special file names like /dev/null
> transparently. I think your problem is that there is something wrong
> with your bash. Are you using the latest version from simtelnet?

Yep. 2.04 Shall I try grabbing the previous one?

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On Thu 14 Jun 2001 09:52, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 07:36:14PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > For Win2k, I fear that the problem isn't the long filenames, but the unability
> > to access /dev/null. The FAQ doesn't mention anything but nut to install djgpp
> > on any /dev
> 
> This should be no problem. There is a hook in the djgpp libc which
> makes it possible to handle special file names like /dev/null
> transparently. I think your problem is that there is something wrong
> with your bash. Are you using the latest version from simtelnet?

2.03 didn't crash on WinNT (but the build didn't succeed either), but still has
severe /dev/null problems on Win2k

The Win2k versions I can access, are all NL versions. Would that matter?

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:22:33PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > I've just downloaded the needed stuff from there, and I'll give it a try.
> Stuck:
>
> C:\Util\Perl\perl-5.7.1>sh
> sh-2.04$ Configure -des

Not that way. Try this:

cd djgpp
configure.bat -des

Laszlo

> sh: ./Configure: Not enough memory (ENOMEM)
> sh-2.04$ sh Configure -des
> Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
> Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)

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On Tue 12 Jun 2001 09:43, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:22:33PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > > I've just downloaded the needed stuff from there, and I'll give it a try.
> > Stuck:
> >
> > C:\Util\Perl\perl-5.7.1>sh
> > sh-2.04$ Configure -des
> 
> Not that way. Try this:
> 
> cd djgpp
> configure.bat -des

Better, starts doing more, but stops the same.

C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1>set SHELL=C:\Util\djgpp\bin\SH.EXE
C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1\djgpp>configure.bat -Dusedevel -Duseperio -des
Running sed...
Running Configure...
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)

Your C:/Util/djgpp/Bin//sh doesn't grok # comments--I will strip them later on.
I presume that if # doesn't work, #! won't work either!
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1>

(Same if I change foldername perl-5.7.1 to perl-571)

> > sh: ./Configure: Not enough memory (ENOMEM)
> > sh-2.04$ sh Configure -des
> > Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
> > Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)


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From Laszlo DOT Molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se  Tue Jun 12 16: 28:20 2001
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:51:45PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> Better, starts doing more, but stops the same.
>
> C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1>set SHELL=C:\Util\djgpp\bin\SH.EXE
> C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1\djgpp>configure.bat -Dusedevel -Duseperio -des
> Running sed...
> Running Configure...
> Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
> Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)

This is very strange. DJGPP apps should grok /dev/null with no
problem. Maybe there is a utility in your PATH which gets called
instead of a djgpp utility?

Btw, as there is no support for long file names under NT for dos
applications, you should unpack the source using djtar. It will not
work otherwise.

Laszlo

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On Tue 12 Jun 2001 16:28, Laszlo Molnar <laszlo DOT molnar AT eth DOT ericsson DOT se> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:51:45PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > Better, starts doing more, but stops the same.
> >
> > C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1>set SHELL=C:\Util\djgpp\bin\SH.EXE
> > C:\Util\Perl\PERL-5~1.1\djgpp>configure.bat -Dusedevel -Duseperio -des
> > Running sed...
> > Running Configure...
> > Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
> > Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
> 
> This is very strange. DJGPP apps should grok /dev/null with no
> problem. Maybe there is a utility in your PATH which gets called
> instead of a djgpp utility?

Hmm, don't think so. pretty safe for this:

C:\Util\Perl\perl-571\djgpp>path
PATH=.;C:\Util\djgpp\Bin\;C:\Bin;C:\Util\Perl\bin\;C:\Util\Elvis;C:\WINNT\system
32;C:\WINNT;C:\WINNT\System32\Wbem;C:\Util\MySQL\bin;C:\Util\ImageMagick

C:\Util\Perl\perl-571\djgpp>

> Btw, as there is no support for long file names under NT for dos
> applications, you should unpack the source using djtar. It will not
> work otherwise.

Done.
(I normally unpack my latest rsynced .tgz one to one to my laptop in order to
 be able to browse the latest sources at home when reading late mail)

C:\Util\Perl> rm -rf perl-571 perl-5.7.1
C:\Util\Perl> djtar -x -f perl-571.tar
C:\Util\Perl> mv perl-5.7.1 perl-571
C:\Util\Perl> cd perl-571\djgpp
C:\Util\Perl> set SHELL=C:\Util\djgpp\bin\SH.EXE
C:\Util\Perl\perl-571\djgpp> configure.bat -Dusedevel -des
Running sed...
Running Configure...
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)

Your C:/Util/djgpp/Bin//sh doesn't grok # comments--I will strip them later on.
I presume that if # doesn't work, #! won't work either!
Configure: /dev/null: Permission denied (EACCES)

Exiting due to signal SIGSEGV
General Protection Fault at eip=000702f9
eax=00000000 ebx=00000002 ecx=00000014 edx=00000002 esi=001a003a edi=00000000
ebp=00196d30 esp=00196d24 program=C:\UTIL\DJGPP\BIN\SH.EXE
cs: sel=01a7  base=01d20000  limit=0021ffff
ds: sel=01af  base=01d20000  limit=0021ffff
es: sel=01af  base=01d20000  limit=0021ffff
fs: sel=017f  base=00005570  limit=0000ffff
gs: sel=01bf  base=00000000  limit=0010ffff
ss: sel=01af  base=01d20000  limit=0021ffff
App stack: [00197054..00097054]  Exceptn stack: [00096a38..00094af8]

Call frame traceback EIPs:
  0x000702f9
  0x0000ee59
  0x0000ee80
  0x00023979
  0x00023a9e
  0x000234c0
  0x00011f8a
  0x0000f7aa
  0x0000f0af
  0x00011981
  0x0000f996
  0x0000f0af
  0x00004550
  0x00002641
C:\Util\Perl\perl-571\UU>

-- 
H.Merijn Brand    Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://www.amsterdam.pm.org/)
using perl-5.6.1, 5.7.1 & 626 on HP-UX 10.20 & 11.00, AIX 4.2, AIX 4.3,
     WinNT 4, Win2K pro & WinCE 2.11 often with Tk800.022 &/| DBD-Unify
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HM/HMBRAND/

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