Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001030172102.007a9d10@pop.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: shinelight AT pop DOT crosswinds DOT net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:21:02 -0500 To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com From: "Thomas J. Hruska" Subject: Re: how do i install C In-Reply-To: References: <3 DOT 0 DOT 6 DOT 32 DOT 20001030000316 DOT 007bdb80 AT pop DOT crosswinds DOT net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk At 07:36 AM 10/30/00 +0200, you wrote: > >On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Thomas J. Hruska wrote: > >> Since you do not know DOS, I highly recommend purchasing either Microsoft >> Visual C++ (Standard Edition) or Borland C++ Builder 5 (Standard Edition). >> The professional/enterprise editions are much nicer and larger with lots of >> stuff...but are meant for business use rather than an environment to learn in. > >Please do not promote proprietary compilers in this forum. Sure, no problem...I'll tell all newbies that come into this forum that DJGPP and all gcc ports are the greatest things to ever happen to the world. Due to sending *THAT* message to them, I will drive them away from programming forever. Great message to send if you ask me. I'll comply with your wishes, but not happily. IMHO, the people in this forum are very embittered, "hardcore" programmers who **HATE** those who are new to the programming realm. If the people of this forum were smart, they would allow some leniency and keep an open mind to the fact that helping "newbies" out is actually beneficial. Sure I mention a proprietary compiler or two, but by helping them get started with something easy, they are MUCH more likely to come back and check out DJGPP when they are ready for cross-platform developing. By giving them the cold shoulder, they will turn away from DJGPP and DJGPP will die a horrible, unspeakable death. Note: I am an avid defender of those who are just starting to program. I will always treat those starting out with respect and blast away at those who don't. Every last programmer who thinks they are superior on this and any other list was, at one time, starting out too. I have been programming for eleven years and still maintain respect for those starting out, I hope that each of you will do the same. Maybe I went overkill on the response (in which case I'm sorry), but I hope that you understand where I'm coming from before flaming me (oh, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but it won't phase me a bit). Thomas J. Hruska -- shinelight AT crosswinds DOT net Shining Light Productions -- "Meeting the needs of fellow programmers" http://www.shininglightpro.com/