From: Josh Sebastian <curien AT earthlink DOT net>
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:13:15 GMT, ChuckEasttom
<chuckeasttom AT my-deja DOT com> wrote:

>In article <cnpjus4je887jf0kgbpv41defcn3fic5g4 AT 4ax DOT com>,
>  Josh Sebastian <curien AT earthlink DOT net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:50:15 GMT, Josh Sebastian
>> <curien AT earthlink DOT net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:26:53 GMT, ChuckEasttom
>> ><chuckeasttom AT my-deja DOT com> wrote:
>> >>What about Schildts books?  I tend to like them.
>> >
>> >Oy veh! He is one of the banes of competent C programmers everywhere.
>> >
>> >I got the following link from the C FAQ:
>> >http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/schildt.html
>> >
>> >I don't remember where I found this one:
>> >http://staff.qnx.com/~glen/deadbeef/2764.html
>> >
>> >There was a couple more, but I can't seem to find them.
>>
>> Here's a good idea of what real C and C++ programmers think of
>> Schildt:
>> http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/reviews/a/a000172.htm
>>
>> Take a look at the "Other authors with this surname" section. See all
>> those nasty red "Not recommended"s?
>> _______
>>
>> "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood
>when preceded by its quotation.
>>
>> Josh Sebastian
>> <curien AT earthlink DOT net>
>>
>Oh, I am glad to see that you are now the judge of what a "real"  C or
>C++ programmer is.

The ACCU has shown itself to be a valid source of "real" programming
information. In addition, the first link I gave was written by a
member of the ISO C committee, which should qualify him.

That is my opinion, anyway. Feel free to disagree :)

> Is it possible for you to disagree with someone
>without assuming they must be incompetent to have an opinion different
>from yours?

Yes. But we are not talking about disagreement. Disagreement is when
two sources differ on a matter of opinion. What is or is not strictly
correct C or C++ is not a matter of opinion - it is a matter of fact.
When a source consistently differs from factual information on a
subject, one may call that person "not competent" WRT that subject.

I didn't say he was incompetent. I said he was a "bane of competent C
programmers". There is a difference. Mr. Schildt could be very good at
programming; the fact remains that he is not very good at providing
good information to others.

Herb Schildt consistently and repeatedly provides incomplete,
misleading, and just plain false information concerning the C and C++
programming languages#.Thus, he is not competent when it comes to
writing books on the matter*.

# - That sentence is a fact.
* - That sentence is an opinion.
Do you see the difference?
_______

"Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.

Josh Sebastian
<curien AT earthlink DOT net>