Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:15:52 +0600 (LKT) From: Kalum Somaratna aka Grendel X-Sender: kalum AT roadrunner DOT grendel DOT net To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: Internal compiler error In-Reply-To: <200006031025.NAA20249@mailgw1.netvision.net.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Sorry if i am missing something, but I thought that the consumer base is > > *the* reliable evidence of the ultimate quality of the product int he > > long run. > > Evidently, it isn't, not in our age, anyway. It looks like consumers > don't mind bying a product that crashes several times a day... Well I certainly wouldn't mind buying a product that crashes several times a day if it's learning curve is less steep. > > > And please note that for the user the "quality" of a product does not mean > > the technical quality, but how user friendly it is. > > That's an interesting notion of quality. User-friendliness is one of > the factors, but it surely isn't the only one, nor is it the most > important one. But you must admit that it plays a *major* role...fre ex just see why many people prefer using RHGDB instead of GDB :( > > Windoze is so popular because it is > > much more user friendly than linux and all it's GUI's..... > > X windows is not less user-friendly than MS-Windows. Actually it should be the Window manager that decides this. As it is the Window Manager that decides the "feel" of the windows etc... > > They expect that the secretary would prefer a technically superior linux > > over windoze and then they expect her to do her word processing in ..VI ! > > I don't know who expects that from secretaries. There are true word > processors for Linux (StarOffice, for one). That is indeed a Good thing and I use it almost exsclusively. > Btw, I don't know when did you last work in a large corporation, but > where I work, secretaries run to your truly asking to solve problems > with Word. So much for user-friendliness... Well I don't think that they bother to have a look at the extensive documentation..the same way that many people (including me sometimes) don't bother reading the DJGPP FAQ first before posting ;-) It's just much easier and faster for them to ask a guru about thier problem than searching through the doc's...and this does not reflect about the user friendliness in a major way. > > Just see where GNOME got it's feel...yes from windoze 95. > > Look and feel do not have to contradict stability and quality. Yes...but it shows that windoze GUI is indeed user friendly if GNOME too borrows on it... > > for example I would prefer A "inferiror" product with a GUI based debugger > > than a "awesome?" one with a *!*!! command line based debugger... > > Me too, but what's your point? Both Windows and Linux satisfy this > requirement. No I was commenting about the sad lack (I may be wrong here) of a IDE based debugger for GDB...I commented on this in another post... Gendel Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :)