From: Outsider Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Re: c|net: Microsoft has officially killed MS-DOS. Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:23:17 +0200 Organization: 'From' address is nonvalid, use 'Reply-To' address for email Lines: 53 Message-ID: <38FC1B75.FEE68C97@yahoo.com> References: <0vlffsc21hthnqfaramn08d9gb9jfk5v74 AT 4ax DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kob-khk-1-1.dsl.cybercity.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.cybercity.dk 956046072 10680 212.242.6.68 (18 Apr 2000 08:21:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse AT cybercity DOT dk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:21:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Damian Yerrick wrote: > > Windows ME (Millennium Edition), the third major release of Windows > 9x, has NO SUPPORT for DOS apps. We DOS programmers have just lost > our market: > http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3715-7-1648259.html?tag=st.sw.3715-7-1648258.txt.3715-7-1648259 > > >Finally, Microsoft has dumped Real Mode. This vestigial code makes > >Windows 95/98 work with some older DOS apps, but it also makes > >Windows slower and less stable at start-up. Microsoft says that DOS > >apps without native Windows support have gone the way of the > >dinosaurs, rendering Real Mode unnecessary. > > Real Mode is necessary to load even Protected Mode DOS apps (such as > anything made with DJGPP). > > >So the company has thrown it out, sending some crashes along with > >it, we hope. > > Micro$~1 misunderstands the source of the crashes. Crashes come when > applications' installers "update" critical system DLLs (e.g. the > kernel) with their own "enhanced" versions. Just look at AOL 5 for an > example: > http://www.anti-aol.org/ news:alt.aol-sucks > > >If you need to run an old DOS app, you'll have to boot up using a > >Windows ME boot disk that retains the DOS boot option. > > I certainly hope the hard drive can be used as such a boot disk. > > -- Check this out. Here is a search page for Microsoft product support: http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp Windows 3.x users are EXCLUDED access to this page! Windows 4.x users are ALLOWED access to this page! When I try to access the page using Windows 3.11, I get fowarded to this page instead: http://search.support.microsoft.com/support/misc/unsupported.asp Can this be legal to deny this page (support) to Windows 3.x users while providing it for Windows 4.x (a.k.a. 95/98) users? -- Outsider MS-DOS 6.22, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, Netscape Navigator 4.08 Random numbers should not be generated with a method chosen at random. -- Donald Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Volume 2 - Seminumerical Algorthms