From: Damian Yerrick Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: Re: It's back, but the ... Organization: Pin Eight Software http://pineight.8m.com/ Message-ID: References: <7r4q4.45719$45 DOT 2400743 AT news2 DOT rdc1 DOT on DOT home DOT com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 85 X-Trace: 9m2+ZsmY1rPnHY/9LceruDpp+iv+Prr5h5s79DvAHcFT4UgkMLI8JFkDghsvPGiKReBNCtHgM7tN!FJxMXkSyzjFfSSXRHtVY48dZy7sjdDsKU0aYt//koXcx20dSYj4pfdW4P1bwm9o7ukDRIdwYlv4n!alJpFCI= X-Complaints-To: abuse AT gte DOT net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:35:38 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:35:38 GMT To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:48:35 GMT, "Andrew Jones" wrote: >> >And the GPL definition of "free" is definately not what the normal >> >person thinks of free. >> >> So how should I say it? It's free in both senses (speech and beer). > >I'm not sure what the GPL definition of free is myself (my brain's a little >foggy right now). Isn't it something like free for use, not free software? There are two kinds of free: free speech and free beer. RMS, when he created the term "free software," was referring to speech. The 1980s term "freeware," meaning royalty-free redistributable binaries, refers to beer. >> >It seems to me that the only successful software ever written using >> >DJGPP is Quake. >> >> Damn successful. > >True! However, attempting to base the success of a compiler through one >product is not a good method of promotion. > >Doom, Doom2 (and all commercial Doom derivatives), Death Rally, Descent and >Descent 2, Tomb Raider, Warcraft, Command and Conquer, Fade to Black, Crusader, >Shattered Steel, KKND, Mechwarrior 2. There are more. They may not have *all* >had commercial success, but 3/4 of them were. And then there's operating >systems (DR-DOS and OS/2 as I said). Q: How many of those came out before DJGPP2 even existed? A: Everything before Quake. >> Just add two lines to your autoexec.bat and reboot. We can't >> control the fact that many users have the attention span of AOLers. > >LOL... true. But some people who want to start programming honestly don't even >know what AUTOEXEC.BAT is! If you're using Windows 95 or Windows 98, pull up Start > Run... type edit c:\autoexec.bat and press Enter. >Or what an environment variable is. A lightbulb goes off in my head: Change the DJGPP version of GCC so that if it doesn't find a DJGPP environment variable, treat it as set DJGPP=[executable's directory]/../DJGPP.ENV >Or that just using GCC will call the C, C++, Objective-C or assembler, >depending on the extention of the file. Other programs treat files with different extensions differently: GIMP and other paint programs, Word and other editors... >These are problems inherent in most compilers, but DJGPP makes >it painfully obvious. It is derived from a UNIX tool, GNU's not UNIX(R). >and hence is by nature going to be confusing and cryptic. Stereotyping UNIX-like operating systems? >> Allegro works on Watcom too last time I checked. > >I tried it a while back and it refused to compile. This may have been an older >version (mid-end 1999), and I haven't tried any recent versions. Get 3.9.31. >I just wanted to point a few things out mostly because your >derisiveness to Watcom bothers me somewhat. As I said: Fixed. The "selling" attitude has been toned down in my top ten FAQ. -- Damian Yerrick http://yerricde.tripod.com/ Comment on story ideas: http://home1.gte.net/frodo/quickjot.html AOL is sucks! Find out why: http://anti-aol.org/faqs/aas/ View full sig: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~yerricde/sig.html This is McAfee VirusScan. Add these two lines to your .sig to prevent the spread of .sig viruses. http://www.mcafee.com/