Message-Id: <199802091753.TAA11748@ankara.duzen.com.tr> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "S. M. Halloran" Organization: User RFC 822- and 1123-Compliant To: "A. Sinan Unur" Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:54:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I wish RHIDE did this... CC: djgpp AT delorie DOT com In-reply-to: <34DF04B4.B3121801@cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk On 9 Feb 98, A. Sinan Unur was found to have commented thusly: > S. M. Halloran wrote: > > I think the point was not how big the package is, but what kind > > of Internet service each of us has. In the developed world I can ftp > > 10 MB in a matter of minutes through a university super-router > > connection to the backbone. Where I am now, it can take a whole day > > or more just to DL 100 KB, which would include resuming stopped > > (timed out) connections several times. It is the price one pays for > > living in parts of the world which give higher investment priorities > > for luxury motor-vehicles even for low-ranking government > > bureaucrats as opposed to providing even the type of Internet > > bandwidth to what they call top universities here which are > > found for children at primary schools in certain developed countries. > > You are lucky to live in a place that values information technology > > and provide you with the ability to get that information now rather > > than obtain it in constant frustration. > > that is very interesting. and as an american, you _absolutely_have_to_ > be there, right? and, of course, what priorities gain prominence in > which parts of the world also have nothing to do with 'american > interests'. as a turk, i understand what frustrations living in my > country may entail. but just as it would be meaningless for me to > complain about what frustrations are involved in living in the united > states on comp.os.msdos.djgpp, it is meaningless and offensive for you > to do that here. > You're absolutely right. I should forward a copy of this message to those here responsible for providing all aspects of Internet service so that it is THEY who will be offended by the remarks entered here. You are also right that no one is holding a gun to my head to live here just as no one is twisting your arm to "complain about what frustrations are involved in living in the united states." So the solution, I guess, is rather than stay here and offer my education and experience in the areas I have been trained in is to escape back to the comfortable standard of living I have come to know and leave this miserable place to carry on, just as I imagine you would do the same? > i am not under the illusion that what i enjoy here are available there. > but, IIRC, metu and bilkent used to mirror the djgpp v.1 distribution. i > don't know what happened since then, but i just checked and found that > none of those places are listed as authorized mirrors at www.simtel.net. > maybe you can contact metu-cc and ask them what, if anything, they are > doing about mirroring djgpp v2. maybe by being pro-active, you will > benefit all of us little, under-developed people. > > -- Sinan > You must have learned to be snide while living in the US (what a shame! is that all you've learned?), I imagine, because that is character trait I don't believe I have ever really come across with the thousands of good people here. If you really know your country, you know better than to recommend the things you are recommending. Ignorance, although not impossible to find in many places, is not the problem here. As you said, the djgpp distribution was once kept at these sites, so the anon ftp site maintainers are well aware of what they need to do. Maybe we should take this over to soc.culture.turkish...oh I forgot, I have absolutely no posting permission to any news server here. But that is another story, right? Mitch Halloran Research (Bio)chemist Duzen Laboratories Group Ankara TURKEY mitch AT duzen DOT com DOT tr other job title: Sequoia's (dob 12-20-95) daddy