From: dbrotherhood AT geocities DOT com (Michael D. Ryan) Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: Complaints about DJGPP Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:17:58 GMT Organization: Brotherhood Software Lines: 72 Message-ID: <338373f8.2314720@usenet.nau.edu> References: <199705190944 DOT FAA21829 AT delorie DOT com> Reply-To: dbrotherhood AT geocities DOT com NNTP-Posting-Host: ts5-16.ppp.nau.edu To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 May 1997 09:44:52 GMT, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I still stand by djgpp taking up lots of space- a fullish install takes up >> about 100 meg, of which approx. 50% is wasted due to the loads of small >> files and the essence of FAT16. I don't just mean the include files- they > >This is way bigger than most people need, and yes there are a lot of >small files, but back when there weren't, people complained that >things were missing. Sigh. > >> I also stand by the slow compile time and slow running time due to crap >> optimization, > >No portable compiler produces better code than a platform-specific and >hand-optimized compiler. Fact of life. > >GCC is big, and you only get good compile times with careful system >optimization. I can compile gcc itself in about 16 minutes, which is >pretty fast. DOS Quake built with gcc on a quad CPU alpha builds >(from scratch!) in about 20 seconds. > >> is that djgpp is a straightish port of gcc, which doesn't have pentium >> optimization yet- so no scheduling of floating point and no pairing of > >Newly released! The PCG has a djgpp port of their pentium-optimized >gcc. > >> use the c++ libraries, and isn't it the case that things written with >> djgpp's c++ libraries are not allowed to be used commercially without >> licence or something? I read something about it somewhere, once, (goes > >If you use the gnu-specific C++ library (-lgxx), yes. If you use the >ANSI standard C++ library (-lstdcxx), no. > >> Anyway, YES I do bash djgpp a bit now, but it was excellent when I was >> learning c++, and who cared about speed then? If it ran I was happy! Also I > >Hey, it it made you happy at one time, I'm happy. DJGPP may not be >perfect for everyone, but by being free, you at least have the option >of trying it and seeing if it's right for you. > >> post, and I didn't incorrectly punctuate my post etc so get your facts > >You forgot two commas and a period around "etc" (sorry, I couldn't >resist :-) > >DJ I think DJGPP is plenty fast, a lot smaller than my version of Borland and a whole lot easier to use. I have never received a memory error that I could not deal with using DJGPP. With Borland, I scrapped many programs because I couldn't find what was causing it to crash... IMHO, DJGPP is the best 32-BIT C compiler I have found, and like DJ says, it's free.. I have used a lot of compilers and this one is the best hands down. I also encourage everyone to use it. It is hard to use at first (since there is no IDE type interface), but once you learn, there is no going back... -- Michael D. Ryan [Brotherhood Software] dbrotherhood AT geocities DOT com Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/5301/ Shareware Trakker: http://www.alberts.com/AuthorPages/00014388/ST1.HTM Items For Sale: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/5301/sale.html ** Advertising items for sale and software links available (free) ** --