Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:35:00 -0300 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960716160146.1a1f665e@dmeasc.rc.ipt.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Eli Zaretskii , Colin MacDonald From: Cesar Scarpini Rabak Subject: Re: DJGPP HELP!!!!! Cc: djgpp AT delorie DOT com At 13:51 16/07/96 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >On 16 Jul 1996, Colin MacDonald wrote: > >> and if you >> spend five minutes going through the documentation, you'll discover >> that DJGPP is definitely NOT a good package if you are learning C. I >> have been using UNIX C for about five years now, and I still have >> trouble with DJGPP. >> Try something like Turbo C/C++ or Visual C, > >With all due respect, I disagree. I don't see any reason why DJGPP >couldn't be a tool to learn programming at least as good as Turbo C. If >you see any trouble with the docs or other tools, or the necessary setup, >that would prevent people from using DJGPP as such a tool, please tell. Just to add to the theme, we (and I myself am the isntructor) here at IPT are giving internal training in C in an introductory course using DJGPP. Whereas its "unixism" at first makes some people that had exposure to more "conventional" DOS tools find it "strange", for newcomers it does not bring ANY diffciulty! Besides, all the hassles of memory models are gone. The enforcing of not accessing directly the hardware ( a practice almost encouraged in certain real mode DOS programming books) is more easily enforaced with newcomers. I had read in a trade journal that an author had managed even to use DJGPP as the compiler for its C programming book and (that probably was with ver 1, but I think it could be done with v2) was able to put the minimum system in a SINGLE 1.44 floppy that accompanied the book. I regret I missed the name of it! >Personally, I don't know about anything in Turbo/Visual C that makes them >a better learning tool. Are they better documented? Are they better >supported? Do you get your questions answered faster and better by their >support staff? > > I think Eli, that the anwer for this question is primarily a market one, there are dozens of books which more or less explicitly intend to teach or include in its examples how to use Turbo (Borland) C/C++; the same for another dozen for Microsoft, which incidentally also own a Editing House of its own "Microsoft Press". Things may change when the DJGPP Book Project comes out! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cesar Scarpini Rabak E-mail: csrabak AT ipt DOT br DME/ASC Phone: 55-11-268-35221Ext.350 IPT - Instituto de Pesquisas Tecnologicas Fax: 55-11-268-5996 Av. Prof. Almeida Prado, 532. Sao Paulo - SP 05508-901 BRAZIL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~