Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 17:54:09 JST From: Stephen Turnbull To: ahelm AT email DOT tuwien DOT ac DOT at Cc: djgpp AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu Subject: Double copies of every post (After the introductory nastiness, there is a potentially useful suggestion for dealing with garbage posts....) tony AT heres DOT what DOT NOT DOT to DOT do said the following really ungracious thing: If you are new to this list: The listserver is a munster. You will find yourself removed from the list about 10-15 times a year. You will recieve a lot of garbage or sometimes there will be no mail for weeks... If you dont like this: a) unsubscribe b) take a ton of dynamite, UU-code it and mail it to listserv AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu Tony DON'T send it to listserv AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu, send it to JOKER.iipo.gtegsc.com (the machine that is causing the current duplicate post problem, and has been doing similar things for a while, see my earlier forward from the postmaster at the domain name server wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com). While you're at it, if you've got an extra kilo, UUencode it and send it to ahelm AT email DOT tuwien DOT ac DOT at for not doing his homework. Yes, I've been unsubscribed from the list once (in three years). Yes, I occasionally don't receive postings for a week. But most of the "garbage" is listserv requests from newbies, and loopbacks from machines maintained by people who should know better. Tony should have at least said what the proper method to unsubscribe is, or lots of newbies who take up his suggestion will send "unsubscribe" to djgpp-announce.... In fact, they already have.... (They presumably figured it out before seeing Tony's post, though.) The people associated with the DJGPP list are all volunteers (to the best of my knowledge) and do a very good job. For example, the listserv maintainer is Russ Nelson of Crynwyr, who brought you the free packet drivers for almost every ethernet card known to man, and some known only to woman. If you use NCSA Telnet to read this message, you use a Crynwyr packet driver. If you use FTP Software's PCTCP to read this message, you probably use a Crynwyr packet driver. That's what I used to send the message (you may consider Russ's role in aiding me to send these flames deserving of 1000kg of TNT, I guess). And those are just the ones I know for sure. Give the guy a break. Better yet, give him some help. Useful advice: ELM is a public domain front end for sendmail. It has an attached utility called filter. Filter is a very flexible filter for network mail. Using a fairly simple syntax, you can arrange for it to delete a message, or save it to a file (or do almost anything to it, under Unix, because you can send it to a pipe). In particular, you could set up rules to (1) delete all messages with "Received: from WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM" headers (2) delete all remaining messages "From djgpp AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu" with "subscribe" in their text (this also catches "unsubscribe") (3) delete all remaining messages sent by yourself (assuming you automatically keep copies as I do) (4) put all remaining messages "From djgpp..." into a file to read later. You can see the possibilities. ELM is publically available, and I'd give a list, but my Archie server lists only Japanese sites and I don't feel like parsing the Japanese man page to figure out how to make it give me world-wide sites. I know it's available for Linux, so any Linux site would have it. A lot of you already have ELM anyway, as I can see from your headers. To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been ported to DJGPP, for those of you who use popmail or something from your PCs. Any volunteers? (It won't necessarily be easy; I suspect it makes heavy use of v?fork() and pipe().) Anybody who knows how to do this *without* using ELM itself, but where filter is available is welcome to post an explanation. Many other mail programs have similar facilities, although ELM's is the best I've seen. --Steve