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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 17:54:09 JST
From: Stephen Turnbull <turnbull AT shako DOT sk DOT tsukuba DOT ac DOT jp>
To: ahelm AT email DOT tuwien DOT ac DOT at
Cc: djgpp AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu
Subject: Double copies of every post

(After the introductory nastiness, there is a potentially useful
suggestion for dealing with garbage posts....)

tony AT heres DOT what DOT NOT DOT to DOT do said the following really ungracious thing:

   If you are new to this list:

   The listserver is a munster. You will find yourself removed from
   the list about 10-15 times a year. You will recieve a lot of
   garbage or sometimes there will be no mail for weeks...

   If you dont like this:
   a) unsubscribe b) take a ton of dynamite, UU-code it and mail it to
   listserv AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu

   Tony

DON'T send it to listserv AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu, send it to
JOKER.iipo.gtegsc.com (the machine that is causing the current
duplicate post problem, and has been doing similar things for a while,
see my earlier forward from the postmaster at the domain name server
wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com).
    While you're at it, if you've got an extra kilo, UUencode it and
send it to ahelm AT email DOT tuwien DOT ac DOT at for not doing his homework.  Yes,
I've been unsubscribed from the list once (in three years).  Yes, I
occasionally don't receive postings for a week.  But most of the
"garbage" is listserv requests from newbies, and loopbacks from
machines maintained by people who should know better.  Tony should
have at least said what the proper method to unsubscribe is, or lots
of newbies who take up his suggestion will send "unsubscribe" to
djgpp-announce....  In fact, they already have....  (They presumably
figured it out before seeing Tony's post, though.)
    The people associated with the DJGPP list are all volunteers (to
the best of my knowledge) and do a very good job.  For example, the
listserv maintainer is Russ Nelson of Crynwyr, who brought you the
free packet drivers for almost every ethernet card known to man, and
some known only to woman.  If you use NCSA Telnet to read this
message, you use a Crynwyr packet driver.  If you use FTP Software's
PCTCP to read this message, you probably use a Crynwyr packet driver.
That's what I used to send the message (you may consider Russ's role
in aiding me to send these flames deserving of 1000kg of TNT, I
guess).  And those are just the ones I know for sure.  Give the guy a
break.  Better yet, give him some help.

Useful advice:

ELM is a public domain front end for sendmail.  It has an attached
utility called filter.
    Filter is a very flexible filter for network mail.  Using a fairly
simple syntax, you can arrange for it to delete a message, or save it
to a file (or do almost anything to it, under Unix, because you can
send it to a pipe).  In particular, you could set up rules to
(1) delete all messages with "Received: from WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM"
headers
(2) delete all remaining messages "From djgpp AT sun DOT soe DOT clarkson DOT edu" with
"subscribe" in their text (this also catches "unsubscribe")
(3) delete all remaining messages sent by yourself (assuming you
automatically keep copies as I do)
(4) put all remaining messages "From djgpp..." into a file to read
later.
    You can see the possibilities.
    ELM is publically available, and I'd give a list, but my Archie
server lists only Japanese sites and I don't feel like parsing the
Japanese man page to figure out how to make it give me world-wide
sites.  I know it's available for Linux, so any Linux site would have
it.  A lot of you already have ELM anyway, as I can see from your
headers.
    To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been ported to DJGPP, for
those of you who use popmail or something from your PCs.  Any
volunteers?  (It won't necessarily be easy; I suspect it makes heavy
use of v?fork() and pipe().)
    Anybody who knows how to do this *without* using ELM itself, but
where filter is available is welcome to post an explanation.
    Many other mail programs have similar facilities, although ELM's
is the best I've seen.

    --Steve

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